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Former President Donald Trump lied many times during his return to CNN on Wednesday night in a town hall that marked his first appearance on the network in years.
One of the more demonstrably false claims was his denial that he asked Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to “find” him the number of votes necessary for him to win the state after he lost the 2020 election.
Trump began the town hall by again refusing to acknowledge he lost that contest, and even called those who accept the results “very stupid.” Later, moderator Kaitlan Collins asked Trump about a criminal investigation in Georgia into his post-election efforts to overturn the contest.
“I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state,” Trump told Raffensperger in January 2021, before he left office.
Here is Trump’s exchange with Collins on Wednesday night:
COLLINS: [T]hey are investigating there, your efforts to overturn the election results in the state of Georgia.
TRUMP: I did nothing wrong. It was a perfect phone call.
COLLINS: Let me finish my question. At the center of that is that call that you had Secretary of State–
TRUMP: Perfect call.
COLLINS: –Brad Raffensperger. Given the fact there are indictments expected to come in that case this summer, is that a call you would make again today?
TRUMP: Yeah, I called questioning the election. I thought it was a rigged election. I thought it had a lot of problems. I had...
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